LRH: (laughs) All right. Pick up the cans.

LRH: Okay. Have a seat. Shut the door. There we go.

- Okay, honey. Is it all right with you if I begin this session now?

PC: They can see me? (chuckles)

PC: Yes.

LRH: Yeah, sit forward. Way up. Attagirl.

LRH: All right. Here it is. Start of session. Has the session started for you?

Now, here we are. (Make sure I got a pencil.) Now, a little bit over here - (sounds of motion) put strain on the situation. I hope that's all right with you.

PC: - Mmm. (clears throat)

Now, you probably wonder why you are here.

LRH: Very good. All right. How are you - doing?

PC: I am consumed with curiosity.

PC: Well, I'm fine now that I'm back in the chair. I was a bit dispersed (chuckles) out in the hall.

LRH: Well, actually, you are here because you have had a continuing present time problem.

LRH: Oh, yeah. AU right. Now, very good. Have I missed a withhold on you?

PC: O-o-o-ooh

PC: No.

LRH: And a bunch of alleged ... What's the date? 2 May.

LRH: Well, there's a little latent tick here. There might be something on it. (pause) There it is.

PC: Alleged?

PC: Well yeah. Just uh . . . (chuckles) I was pretty, pretty far out of present time when you (laughs) ended the session.

LRH: Alleged Prepchecking was done on you, and I've just given a lecture on missed withholds ...

LRH: All right. All right. Okay.

PC: Mmm.

PC: That's...

LRH: ... and I just want to show people how awful easy it is. You know, if people would just relax about the thing, you know, and just do it, it'd all be all right. But they don't.

LRH: All right. Did I fail to find out about that?

They manage to do everything else. Well, here we are at 8:24.

PC: Yeah:

Now, what we're going to do is very, very simple. All I'm going to do is locate some of the missed withholds everybody has been playing tag with, you see, and that they've been having a marvelous time with.

LRH: All right. When was that?

PC: That's fine.

PC: Well, when I went clattering down the hall by myself I couldn't find Suzie's bathroom.

LRH: And we're going to straighten this out. But the truth of the matter is that they - apparently, whoever was giving you a Prepcheck was missing on most cylinders.

LRH: All right. Very good. Okay. Now, have I missed a withhold on you?

(chuckles) I mean, I don't care if whoever sits there and hears me, you know? I mean, there's a - this is, you know ... (laughs)

PC: No.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Is there anything else there? Any other thing I might have missed a withhold on?

LRH: ... I mean, this is just an oh-my-God situation, see?

PC: Mm-mm [no].

Now, there's more to all this than everybody is doing, you understand me? And it's also simpler. So we're going to straighten this out if we can. We'll see what luck we have.

LRH: Okay. Now let me check this.

PC: That's fine.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Have I missed a withhold on you? All right. That's going independently.

PC: I want to find out too. (laughs)

PC: What does that mean?

LRH: Why, (chuckles) you - you'll find out. (LRH and PC laugh) All right.

LRH: Now, you listen to me.

PC: Great.

PC: All right.

LRH: Okay. So, here we go.

LRH: Now, you listen to me now.

Is it all right with you if I start this session now?

PC: Okay.

PC: Yes.

LRH: To me. To me. All right. Have I missed a withhold on you?

LRH: All right, here it is. Start of session. Okay. Has the session started for you?

PC: No.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: That's right. You're absolutely right. (chuckles)

LRH: Very good. What goals would you like to set for this session?

All right. Now, we were going great guns here on something that happened in a cornfield.

PC: Well, to find the missed withholds!

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Good. Any other goal you'd like to set for this session?

LRH: All right. Now, is it all right with you if I get on with this?

PC: Yeah, to get the PTP handled.

PC: Sure.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: All right. Now, apparently you've been packing an awful lot of they-should-have-found-out-about-me's here, on this subject.

PC: To get the PTP handled.

PC: Um.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Hm?

PC: That's enough

PC: Mostly Mother, yeah.

LRH: All right. Is that enough?

LRH: Well has this been basic - yes, it's Mother all right, because I've got a double tick here I'm following down.

PC: Mmm.

PC: Umm.

LRH: All right. Any goals you'd like to set for Life or livingness?

LRH: It's a - I'm getting wider ... the closer we get in to the base on this, why, the more we're getting close to this little - double tick. Okay?

PC: Yeah I want to get through the - make a concerted effort to study and get through this stupidity ridge I'm sitting in on the...

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right.

LRH: And that's what we're looking for. We're looking for something ... Apparently every time you say something about your mother or his mother, or something, we get this double tick.

PC: ... material.

PC: Yeah?

LRH: (pause) Any other goal you'd like to set for life or livingness?

LRH: See, I can turn this on here. All right. What should your mother have found out about you? See, and there's a ... there it is (chuckles) - little one.

PC: No. That's enough. Mm

PC: Yeah, this is ...

LRH: All right. Good. Now, here we go.

LRH: See, I say something on that order. Now, you want so answer that question?

Now, look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room.

PC: Well, sure. She should have found out that I wasn't ah ... as pure and perfect as she thought I was.

PC: Yes.

LRH: As who was?

LRH: All right. I got a little tick there. What do you ...

PC: As she thought I was.

PC: I noticed the picture. Everywhere I go, I see that picture.

LRH: Oh, all right. All right.

LRH: Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. Okay. Now, look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room.

PC: Or that she insisted that I should be ...

PC: Yes.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. There's just one little tick left there. Anything else about this room? That's it.

PC: ... is more in line.

That's it.

LRH: All right. Now, we're following down the track here about sleeping with a man to trap him.

PC: ... Mm. Just noticing the bed.

PC: Umm.

LRH: Hmm. That's it.

LRH: And we're mining gold all the way. But I think there is an incident before 1926.

PC: Not anything special about it.

PC: I think there is, too, but I haven't a clue.

LRH: All right. It's going to kick on it.

LRH: And where is it? You said two years earlier.

PC: Is it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. It did. What about that bed?

LRH: And you didn't know whether it was or wasn't. Well, what happened two years before this time? Where were you living?

PC: Uh ... rather out of place In this room.

PC: In uh ...

LRH: It's out of place.

LRH: That's it.

PC: Yes.

PC: Park City.

LRH: All right. Good enough.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Belongs in a bedroom.

PC: Montana.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Park City what?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Montana.

LRH: Very good. Okay. Look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room.

LRH: Montana. Park City. All right. And is there some sort of an incident there where you got all missed up with somebody or something?

That's fine. Thank you very much.

PC: Mm-mm [no].

PC: Mm-mm.

LRH: Is there any incident in Park City? I don't know here. I'm getting a little bit of a rough line.

LRH: That's clear now. All right. Are you willing to talk to me about your difficulties?

PC: Well, there could be but...

PC: Yes.

LRH: Is there some incident in Park City? No it isn't Park City. Is there some ...

LRH: All right. There's just one little slightly latent tick on that, you might say.

PC: Is it Glen Ullin - Glen Ullin, North Dakota, then?

PC: Mm. Well, I - I... it's difficult for me to reach for you.

LRH: Is that earlier?

LRH: Oh, there is ...

PC: Well, that would be in - when I was four, we moved from ...

PC: Yes.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: ... oh, it is. All right. Okay. Are you willing to talk to me about your difficulties?

PC: ... Glen Ullin to Park City.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Well, haven't you any memory back of ...

LRH: That's fine. That came out. That's clear now. All right. Are you withholding anything? I got a tick there.

PC: No.

PC: Just more of the same. I've got so many overts on you that I tend to individuate, is...

LRH: ... that at all, huh?

LRH: Mm-mm.

PC: Just splotchy pictures.

PC: My ineffectiveness on dissemination.

LRH: Hm-hm. Just got some pictures?

LRH: All right. Okay. Well, right this minute, are you withholding anything?

PC: Mm.

PC: No.

LRH: What pictures?

LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Are you - now, let me see if this is clear.

PC: Well, I've got a picture of a stone house that I assume is my birthplace.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Are you withholding anything? Well, that's pretty good. There's just the tiniest tick there now.

PC: Then later in Park City, I've got a couple or three pictures.

PC: (sighs) Hmmmm.

LRH: Hm-hm. All right. Is there any other - incident here with your brothers? I get a little slowdown there.

LRH: Just the tiniest tick. Right - right now, just right this minute, are you withholding anything?

PC: Well, there is the one incident with my brother Bob. But this is not on sex-line stuff.

PC: No there isn't anything I'm not willing to talk to you about. There's a whole gob of stuff, of course, that I...

LRH: What about that, what roughly?

LRH: Mm-mm.

PC: Well, I was supposed to care for him, and ...

PC: ... got rattling around.

LRH: And you didn't.

LRH: All right.

PC: Well, there's some mystery on this one. I don't understand my reactions in that.

PC: But not withholding anything from you.

LRH: Well, what is your reaction?

LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Let me test this again.

PC: Well, a little girl tried to take him away from me, and I got panicky ...

PC: Mm-mm.

LRH: Hm-hm,

LRH: Are you withholding anything? Well, we've got that clear enough. It's nothing but a latent read on it.

PC: ... and it's way out of proportion to the situation.

PC: Mm. Good-o.

LRH: Well, what happened?

LRH: Okay. Now, do you have a present time problem? That ... (PC laughs) I get nothing - an equivocal registry on this, very latent.

PC: I hit her in the stomach with a rock.

PC: Mm.

LRH: And what happened with that?

LRH: But what are you laughing about there particularly?

PC: That's all. Just - she... I - it hurt.

PC: Well, just, I've got a chronic PTP.

LRH: Hm-mm.

LRH: All right. But right now, aside from that chronic PTP, do you have a present time problem?

PC: And I got my brother back, but ...

PC: No.

LRH: Hm. How old were you then?

LRH: All right. There's a little tick there. There's just a little tick there. What is your problem right this minute that ...

PC: Four.

PC: Well, a little bit of a hope that this session comes out so it's real instructive for the students.

LRH: About four. Is that the incident here on the 19...

LRH: Oh, well! I'm not - we're not running this session, you know, for the students. That's all right. (LRH and PC laugh)

PC: 1924.

PC: I - I know But I - they feel very close right now.

LRH: That's the 1924 incident.

LRH: All right. Very good.

PC: Mmm.

PC: They're almost in the room.

LRH: That's it. Tick-tick.

LRH: That's fine. And that's what you ...

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. This have to do with a man?

LRH: ... what you thought of there.

PC: Hm. Took my brother, who was a ...

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Well was he ...

LRH: All right. Very good. Thank you. All right. Do you have a present time problem?

PC: he was younger.

PC: No.

LRH: What was he? A boy?

LRH: That's dandy. That - that - oh, I don't know. There was just there was one little other tick there. (PC chuckles) I said "dandy" but a little bit too soon.

PC: Mm-hm. Two.

PC: Yeah, well, I to have a problem with the course. I could put my attention on the course at this time and uh ...

LRH: All right. It had to do with a boy.

LRH: Mm-mm. Mm-mm.

PC: Mmm.

PC: - an awful difficulty in material.

LRH: All right. And what about this boy?

LRH: All right. Okay. Now let me check this again.

PC: Well I was supposed to take care of hm.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Right ...

LRH: Do you have a present time problem? Well, there's an infinitesimal flick ... We're getting it cut right down now. There's just an infinitesimal flick before a latent tick.

PC: Mother said I should look out for him.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: There's two flicks here.

PC: Ant uh ... I had agreed to ... to care for him.

PC: Uh - well.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. Now, what might that be?

PC: But uh ... this little girl was just teasing, said I was ... she was going to take him away from me. And just - I got panicky.

PC: Well, am I going to be terminated next week without a classification? That ...

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Oh. I see.

PC: And I it is - it was just almost a reflex action. I picked up the rock and threw it at her to stop her ...

PC. that's the problem

LRH: Hm-mm.

LRH: No, you were already extended, I think. That's uh ...

PC: ... from taking him away. I don't know where the hell she would have taken him.

PC: Oh, was I?

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: She was only four, too.

PC: Oh, good-o. (big sigh)

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: We weren't worried about that.

PC: You see?

PC: Yeah. Well, that... (chuckles)

LRH: And where did the rock cut her?

LRH: (chuckles) All right. Instructions were...

PC: In the stomach.

PC: Well, this could go into the chronic PTP actually, because this is what I've got keyed in.

LRH: Uh-huh. She bleed much?

LRH: Mm-mm.

PC: It didn't cut her.- It just went POW in her stomach.

PC: It's how do I get effective enough to do something about my marriage and to something about dissem - dissemination. It's just the whole ball of wax.

LRH: I see. It just went POW in her stomach. Did she bleed much?

LRH: Hmm, hmm, hmm. All right. This is a constant worry to you.

PC: She didn't bleed at all.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Are you sure?

LRH: Hm-hm. All right. Now, aside from that PTP which we're going to take up here anyplace ...

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah, I know. That's ...

LRH: You're sure?

LRH: ... do you have a present time problem?

PC: Well, no. Of course, I'm not sure. (laughs) But I don't think so.

PC: No.

LRH: Come on. How seriously was this little girl injured?

LRH: All right. I still get a tick.

PC: Well she ... she cried. And I just imagine, because it hit her in the stomach, that it was awful painful. It is when it - when I get hit in the stomach.

PC: Well see, the course is part of this one because ...

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Mm-mm.

PC: It's...

PC: ... this is where I hope to get effective enough to do something about my livingness.

LRH: What else did you do to her?

LRH: All right. All right. All right.

PC: That's all - I think.

PC: And that's the only thing that is worrying me. That people that this caught with only two or three weeks to go, and so forth - they got extended.

LRH: All right. Did you hit her in the stomach?

LRH: Mm-mm. All right. Okay. Let me...check it again.

PC: Mmm.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: With a rock.

LRH: It was automatic. All right. Let me check this again.

PC: Mmm.

Do you have a present time problem? I've got a tiny flick. (PC laughs) Right this minute. Now, I'm not talking about ... Now, we're going to take up your ...

LRH: That's it. With a rock.

PC: Yeah, I know.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: husband and the course and dissemination.

LRH: All right. Who else did you hit with a rock?

PC: Mmm.

PC: Oh, well, heavens, I ...

LRH: We're going to take all that up. But, right here, right now - right now, do you have a present time problem?

LRH: Oh, well, now we're onto something else.

PC: No.

PC: Now, yeah. But not earlier. I mean, I used to throw rocks at my brothers. I don't think I ever hit them though.

LRH: That's it. Thank you. All right. I'm going to let that ride ...

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: Okay.

PC: I was a lousy shot.

LRH: ...because we got it clean as a whistle. (PC sighs) Okay?

LRH: All right. But which one of them did you blood?

PC: Yeah.

PC: How did blood get into the act?

LRH: Now I would like to do a little Prepchecking on you, if that's all right with you. What would you say to that?

LRH: I don't know how blood got into this.

PC: That's fine.

PC: - Oh. (pause; laughs) Well, well, there's my brother Bob. There's the incident when I hit him into a rock. I mean, it was concrete. It wasn't I - that I threw a rock at him, but I hit his head into a rock - into concrete.

LRH: All right. Here we go.

LRH: Hm-hm, you did.

First thing I've got to do is look at your folder.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm. (sighs)

LRH: And that bled?

LRH: And we seem to have been racking up a lot of O/Ws on the course and O/Ws, O/Ws, O/Ws. Well, O/Ws aren't missed withholds and they aren't problems.

PC: Yeah, that bled

Well, (pause; chuckles) you got a lot of stuff here about snakes. No, nothing marked null on that. And destroying plants, and snakes and ... Somebody is having a ball here one way or the other. Wonder how far afield you can get. (laughs) That hasn't anything to do with it.

LRH: That bled.

Let's get into something here. Let's get into something here, shall we?

PC: That bled. Yes.

PC: Mm.

LRH: All right. Fine. How old was he?

LRH: Now, you got a chronic present time problem about your .. Not trying to upset your auditor or anything like that, if your auditor is hearing all of this. (PC chuckles) It's not he. This started with your auditor earlier ...

PC: Uh-... he was older then. He was - oh, I should say four and I was six. That's roughly.

PC: Oh

LRH: All right. And what did you do?

LRH: ... and it's been going adrift, and all I'm going to get into is I understand you have a chronic present time problem now that has to do with your husband and so forth. Is that right?

PC: I made an airplane out of him. I was swinging him around ...

PC: Mm. Actually, part of it is Bill and Donna, too, of the Scientology Center.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... me.

PC: It's all one big ball of wax, really.

LRH: Mm.

LRH: Hm?

PC: I was going around and held him by the feet, you see ...

PC: It s all big bunch - big - one big bunch of wax and glue, like.

LRH: Mm. Mm.

LRH: All right. Now, were you having trouble with your husband before you had trouble with this Center?

PC: and I was swinging him round, and I hit his head into the concrete block.

PC: No.

LRH: Because you were dispersed.

LRH: Oh, you only had it since.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Actually, it all started at the same time. You see, I met my husband through the... Bill and Donna.

LRH: Go on.

LRH: Oh, you met your husband through here.

PC: Yeah.

PC: It all started ...

LRH: And what happened there?

LRH: I see. Well, we get a fall here on the Center.

PC: Well, I injured him very seriously.

PC: Mm.

LRH: How seriously?

LRH: We don't get much of a fall on your husband.

PC: Well, he's still got a knot on his head which he ...

PC: Yeah But that's the problem.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: How about your husband? No.

PC: assures me every time I see him that I did it. And I did.

PC: Well...

LRH: All right. What did this do to him mentally, at the time?

LRH: All right. And how about the Center? Well, you're thinking about something else, now.

PC: Hmm. Well, he - I think he was almost out cold.

PC: I am? (little laugh)

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Yeah

PC: I was going to say it cold-cocked him.

PC: Well I actually don't feel that the problem with my husband is acute anymore because uh ...

LRH: Well, did it?

LRH: Mm-mm.

PC: Uh ... it stunned hm, it uh ... it did. Yes.

PC: ... I can separate this one out.

LRH: Mm. Mm. What did you think you had done at that time?

LRH: Hm?

PC: Well, I thought I had injured him beyond repair, really.

PC: ... actually Scien - Scientology is my problem.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Oh! Huh?

PC: Like his head was pretty wide open.

PC: How do I disseminate effectively?

LRH: And when was that?

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: 1926, I would say roughly.

PC: You're part of it.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right.

PC: I'm not sure.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. When was it? Have you been told about this or do you remember it?

LRH: Okay. And how long has this been a problem?

PC: Oh, no. I remember it.

PC: Mm, actually, it's been a problem since '56.

LRH: You remember doing this.

LRH: Hmm? '55. Earlier? Earlier than '55? Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

PC: '50. (laughs)

LRH: All right.

LRH: '50? Was the problem in '50?

PC: ... was having a ball.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. And?

LRH: Yeah. We're getting a fall now.

PC: And I slipped, actually. I mean, I got his head too low, and it cracked up against the concrete.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: All right. This predates this Center - huh?

PC: And he - he was stunned. I don't remember whether Mother patched him up or not.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Well what might have appeared there?

LRH: All right. What about '50?

PC: Well, the wound.

PC: Well, that ...

LRH: Hm-hm. Very good. And who didn't find out about it?

LRH: Spring of '50?

PC: I don I think Dad did.

PC: No.

LRH: Hm-hm. Who did you withhold that from?

LRH: Summer?

PC: Well, from Dad.

PC: It was in late September, early October when I met ... Red first spoke.

LRH: Hm-hm. Anybody else fail to find out about it?

LRH: All right. September, October. Okay. Did you have some auditing sessions at that time?

PC: The doctor. I don't think he was taken to the doctor.

PC: Yeah. My first instructor.

LRH: Took him to the doctor?

LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I well know this particular combination.

PC: They didn't take him.

PC: (sighs) Mm.

LRH: They didn't

LRH: All right. Now, what we're going to do here is we're going to operate on a Zero question. And let me just test two or three Zero questions here.

PC: Mm-mm [no].

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Doctor didn't find out about it.

LRH: All right?

PC: Mm-mm [no].

PC: That's fine.

LRH: Well, who else didn't find out about it?

LRH: I'm going to say, has an auditor ever failed to find out something about you? All right. That's not it. What should have been found out about you? All right. What should have been found out about you? Have you ever failed to find out about something? What should have been found out about you? That seems to have a little reaction there. All right. So we're going to put that down as the Zero, in spite of the fact that it starts with what. (chuckles)

PC: (sighs) I'm not so sure Mother did. I think it was my sister patched him up.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: And what should have found - been found out about you? What should have been found out about you? That's it.

PC: I don't remember, but I don't think she did.

All right. Now, we're referring clear back to September? Something like that? October?

LRH: Was there a big secrecy involved in this?

PC: October.

PC: Well, just occlusions more than secrecy. I don 't remember.

LRH: It's October.

LRH: Oh, no-no, no, no, no-no-no, no, no. Now, now, you weren't carrying any banner signs around there ...

PC: Yeah.

PC: Oh, of course not!

LRH: October 1950.

LRH: ... telling everybody "I busted my little brother's head open."

PC: Yeah.

PC: No no, no. No.

LRH: All right?

LRH: All right. Who did you keep this from?

PC: Um-hm.

PC: Oh, well, I kept that from the kids in school, and teachers, and...

LRH: And what should have been found out about you at that time?

LRH: Hm-hm, And your father and your mother?

PC: Hm.

PC: Mother, and anybody that would have made me guilty.

LRH: That's it.

LRH: All right.

PC: Well, that I was ... actually didn't have - well, I - I was - I was stupid. That's - that's my biggest problem, is my stupidity.

PC: Like the towns people.

LRH: All right. Okay. Very good. And did your stupidity get you into some trouble at that time? Nope.

LRH: Very good. And do you actually remember, now, suppressing that?

PC: Uh-uh [no]

PC: Yeah. Sure you wouldn't - that's a now-I'm-supposed-to, actually. I mean, you wouldn't go around saying you'd bashed your brother's head in.

LRH: Well, who failed to find out about this? (PC takes deep breath)

LRH: Yeah, but did your mama know about it?

That's it.

PC: I don't think so.

PC: Well Jackins.

LRH: How did she escape knowing about it?

LRH: Jackins? Jackins? Harvey Jackins? Oh, you'll have to come again.

PC: Oh, well, my sister was very effective in patching up wounds.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Mm-mm. She helped you suppress this.

LRH: Who was it? Who was it? You've got him. Who was it?

PC: Yeah. Well, actually my brother did too.

PC: Well, I'm looking at Jimmy.

LRH: He helped you, too.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Well, we protected each other from our parents.

PC: My ... my first husband, Jimmy.

LRH: All right. Very good. And did you get your brother to agree not to tell?

LRH: Jimmy? All right. Was it Jimmy? Jimmy? We got a little halt on that. Jimmy? Jimmy.

PC: No it was a tacit agreement.

PC: Mm.

LRH: I see. You didn't tell him not to tell.

LRH: All right. Anybody ever ask any Prepcheck question on Jimmy?

PC: No

PC: Overt-withhold on him.

LRH: You just knew he wouldn't.

LRH: No.

PC: Yeah. I just knew he wouldn't.

PC: Not Prepchecking, no.

LRH: And your father didn't find out?

LRH: Anybody ever ask you any Prepcheck question on Jimmy?

PC: No.

PC: I... a husband, actually. Not Jimmy ... Yeah, I think they did. I think Ava did.

LRH: And your mother didn't ...

LRH: Mm-hm. When was that?

PC: I know my father didn't.

PC: (sighs) When Prepchecking first started here.

LRH: Your mother didn't find out?

LRH: Mmm.

PC: I'm not sure...

PC: It generalized into what have you - "What did you do to a husband? " "What have you done to a husband?"

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, what did he fail to find out about you in October of 1950?

PC: about my mother, whether it was Mother that patched him. Mother would have protected us ...

PC: Well ...

LRH: Well, did your sister even know?

LRH: That's it.

PC: (Sigh) Well ... (pause) I don't know. I don't know. It was either Mother or my sister Agatha that patched him up. And if it was Mother, my sister didn't know.

PC: Yeah. That I was uh ... hmm ... (pause) using, actually Dianetics to uh ... (pause) I.... I... I...

LRH: Hm?

LRH: You got it.

PC: If it was Mother that patched him up, then my sister didn't know.

PC: get real confused what I did (laughs)

LRH: Well, which is it that didn't know?

LRH: All right. Come on.

PC: I don't know. Must have been my sister because I think my mother would have beat me up, and I don't remember getting beaten up by my mother. I'm just assuming now though.

PC: Um

LRH: You got this figured out that way.

LRH: You got it. Using Dianetics ...

PC: Yeah!

PC: But actually, to establish ... a beingness that couldn't be made less of.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: It's just logical.

PC: This.

LRH: But here's a head injury - here's a head injury that remained a secret to your family.

LRH: All right. All right. What did he fail to find out? What did Jimmy fail to find out there?

PC: (pause) Hm.

PC: Well, that I didn't consider myself anything.

LRH: Is that right?

LRH: Ah, I see.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: That's what I'm hung up in. I ...

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right.

PC: That s not unusual.

PC: ... I totally made nothing of myself ...

LRH: All right. It's not unusual, but I'm just pointing out that here is ...

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: ... really. (chuckles)

LRH: ... an incident of that character. What else did you do to bloody your brothers up?

LRH: All right. Is that October of 1950?

PC: (pause) Well, I've got the later incident with my brother Jake when we got into a fight.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. There we go. Hotter than a pistol. (PC breathes deeply) Okay. Okay, now, well, who was this an overt against?

PC: I didn't bloody him up though. Oh, I guess I did. I scratched him.

PC: Well, Jimmy.

LRH: Oh, you guess you did it.

LRH: All right. And just what did you do to Jimmy there?

PC: Uh yes, I did.

PC: Well, I learned Sci - Dianetics at that time. I got to understanding it better than he...

LRH: Now come on. Did you or didn't you?

LRH: Yeah ...

PC: Yes, I did.

PC: and using it as a - "I am smarter than you are."

LRH: All right. When was it?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Oh, that was way later. I was about fifteen.

PC: I do that to Charlie too. (laughs)

LRH: All right, honey. And what did that consist of?

LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.

PC: You mean, you want all of it? (chuckles)

PC: Better. But I did that to Jimmy.

LRH: Well ...

LRH: Okay. And what did you do there specifically?

PC: (laughs) Well, I was supposed to fix has lunch, and I didn't. So he tried to get me to fix his lunch, and I fought back.

PC: I took the first course under Jackins and learned about Dianetics. Learned to audit.

LRH: Yeah. And what did you do?

LRH: All right. All right. All right. But what did you do to Jimmy there, specifically?

PC: Well I just uh ... See, I was littler than he was. And I just fought like I wasn't.

PC: Well I made him take the course with me.

LRH: All right. Okay.

LRH: All right. That's it. Go on.

PC: And I - he got so mad that he forgot I was littler, and we had a fought like we were evenly matched.

PC: (pause) Oh. But just a feel that ... was using, then, Dianetics to solve him.

LRH: Yeah. What did you do to him?

LRH: To do what?

PC: Oh. just uh . . it was pretty dispersed, but I - I kicked and clawed and bit ...

PC: To solve him.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Oh, I see. Well now we're back to what didn't he find out there?

PC: in any part of the body that I could - could get ahold of ...

PC: (pause; sighs) Well, he didn't find out that I - (laughs) that I thought - that I thought he was more able than I was. I would always put out that I was - was more able.

LRH: All right. Good. And what did you do?

LRH: Yeah ...

PC: Uh ... well, mostly scratched him and bit him.

PC: ... than he was.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right.

PC: ... kicked - yeah, I kicked him, too.

PC: And I never let him know that I considered myself inferior to him.

LRH: Did you bloody him up?

LRH: All right. All right. Good enough. Good enough. Now, what did you do that he failed to find out?

PC: Don't - he got - I don't have a picture, but I assume if I - if scratched, I would have bloodied him up. Sure.

PC: (breathes deeply, pause) Hm.

LRH: Mmm.

LRH: That's it. That's it.

PC: I mean I ...

PC: Well, I read the first book ...

LRH: Well, what do you know you've done there?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Just that I fought tooth and toenail ...

PC: ... but then he found about - out about that later.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Yeah, but what did you do ... u ...

PC: ... with all the strength I could conjure up at fifteen ...

PC: Ooh.

LRH: That's good.

LRH: ... specifically? Come on. What did you do specifically? You must have done something there.

PC: ... with this body.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right.

LRH: The needle isn't falling on ...

PC: Now I know.

PC: Reading the first book, you mean?

LRH: All right. And who did you both keep that from?

LRH: ... nothing. No. I mean, the needle isn't falling on nothing here.

PC: Mother.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Anybody else?

LRH: This needle is falling on something. And it's doing rather steep, repetitive falls every time you think over this situation. So what did you do? You must have done something. Now, what did you do?

PC: Dad.

PC: That he didn't know about that.

LRH: All right. Okay. That's all.

LRH: Yeah!

PC: Yeah.

PC: He didn't find out about it.

LRH: Seems like seems like you didn't seem to enjoy the confidence of your parents anywhere along the line.

LRH: That's right. He never found out about it that time.

PC: I didn't. (chuckles)

PC: Well, see, this is why it's difficult for me because I would do it and then it was a get-even-with.

LRH: You didn't, huh?

LRH: All right.

PC: Oh, no.

PC: So he - he always knew what I did, but I - well, he didn't know it was a get - yeah, he knew it was a get-even-with, too.

LRH: What did you do? Has this lifetime been a career of keeping things away from your mother?

LRH: All right. Good. Good. That's fine. But what ... (PC laughs) what did you do? You see, you're mostly telling me attitudes ...

PC: Mm-mm. Mostly Dad.

PC: Yes, I know.

LRH: Mostly Dad.

LRH: ... you've had. do you understand? I want to know something you did that he never found out about. That's it.

PC: Yeah.

PC: (sighs) Anytime? You mean later than ...

LRH: Mother? Keeping things from Mother?

LRH: I don't care when it was.

PC: Well, yeah. There would be some type things I'd keep from Mother, and there'd be other type.

PC: ... when? Well...

LRH: Sex.

LRH: Tell me what it was.

PC: Yeah.

PC: ... Well, okay: I - I did stuff that he didn't find out. Later, though. You see, I went into a promiscuity bit later, after I left him, that he didn't find - ever find out about.

LRH: Sex you'd keep from Mother.

LRH: All right. All right. All right.

PC: Yeah. I'd keep from Mother.

PC: But this was later than ...

LRH: That's good.

LRH: All right. And earlier, what did you do that he didn't find out about? I want a specific instance here.

PC: And anything that would provoke my dad's temper, I would keep from Dad. And fighting would provoke his temper, you see?

PC: Earlier.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. He'd get mad, in other words.

LRH: I don't care when. (PC laughs) You just give me one.

PC: Oh, he'd get... Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: He'd get furious.

LRH: A specific thing that you did - that you did, you know ...

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm.

LRH: All right. So keeping things from Dad? That's bing, bing.

LRH: ... with your paws and your head and your hands and you. You know?

Now, what type of thing would you keep from Dad?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Well, I'd keep breakage...

LRH: You know, that you did that he never found out about - that Jimmy never found out about. (PC sighs) That's it.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: I don't have anything. I'm just ...

PC: ... getting unto trouble with uh ...

LRH: Da-da-da-da.

LRH: Good.

PC: ... looking.

PC: ... the school authorities.

LRH: That's it right there. Right there.

LRH: All right.

PC: Oh?

PC: And beating up the guy who tried to beat us up for stealing his watermelons.

LRH: That's it.

LRH: Right.

PC: It is? I've got an area of time, but I don't have a doingness.

PC: These things.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: Go on.

PC: I've got an area of time, but not a doingness.

PC: Just if I would get into trouble ...

LRH: All right. It's right in that area of time.

LRH: All right.

PC: This is in Oklahoma in 1943, when I - before I married him.

PC: ... I would keep it from Dad.

LRH: All right. Go on. Go on.

LRH: Any trouble ...

PC: Hm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You've got it taped. What did you ... That's it, right there.

LRH: ... would be kept from Dad.

PC: (pause) I did. Huh - something I did. I had ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm! That's it. You - you're right on it. You're right on it.

LRH: So he's the symbol of no - communication if in trouble.

PC: Well, I had some intentions to - well, I did trap him. (LRH: chuckles) I gonna ... you know?

PC: (chuckles) Yeah.

LRH: Is that something you did?

LRH: Is that right?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Well, he's more than that. He wouldn't let us talk to him, actually, either.

LRH: All right.

LRH: He said, no, huh?

PC: Did he find - I don't think he ever found out about that.

PC: He just said "Don't talk! Just talk when you 're spoken to."

LRH: And he never found out about it?

LRH: Oh, I see. All right.

PC: I don't think so.

PC: And we hat that one and then the other one, we don't talk if we got into trouble, because why invite more trouble?

LRH: All right. And now, over this further. What did you specifically do?

LRH: All right. How did you trap your father?

PC: (sighs) Well, I slept with him, as a trap.

PC: Oh! Gee! I did that with ARC.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. How did you do that?

PC: Uh ... I actually, used up my virginity at that point to trap him.

PC: Just uh ... (sighs) I ...

LRH: All right. Okay.

LRH: Go on.

PC: This is - this is the ... the biggest overt I have on Jimmy.

PC: Well, I just wouldn't let him keep this game going. I moved in, got close to him.

LRH: And what's the overt there?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Just, I was a virgin and this flipped him. You see, he seduced me at that point, and I ... and that hung him up.

PC: Got him off of this German "I am the father and you are the child, so therefore you must never speak to me unless you're spoken to."

LRH: I see. I see. All ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I intended to use it, you see ...

PC: I just would speak to him.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Mm.

PC: ... as a trap.

PC: I would demonstrate affection.

LRH: What - what did - how do you state this now? Exactly what did you do?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Hm. (pause)

PC: And it worked.

LRH: Do, you know. (PC laughs) Not thought or intended. What did you do? What did you do, specifically?

LRH: All right. What didn't he find out about this?

PC: Well...

PC: Hmm. (sighs) Well, mostly what he didn't find out was that he didn't have a prayer with ... with this - with our family after he got off of that one that he used to control us.

LRH: That's - you're getting there.

LRH: All right. And what didn't he have a prayer with, how, exactly?

PC: Yeah. I...

PC: Well, he didn't have a prayer with me or the rest of the family, I think.

LRH: That's it.

LRH: Good. Now how did you trap him, specifically and exactly?

PC: Well, I don't know how to state it so that it makes a good One question.

PC: Well, I don't remember exactly when it was, but I know there was the first time when I kissed him.

LRH: Well, you let me (PC laughs) make up the One question. Okay?

LRH: I see.

PC: Yeah. Let's see.

PC: You know?

LRH: You make - you let me audit this, huh?

LRH: All right. Very, very good. When was that?

PC: (laughing) Okay.

PC: Uh ...

LRH: Just because you haven't been audited lately, why, this doesn't say you're not being audited now.

LRH: That's it.

PC: (laughing) Okay.

PC: Well, that was, I would should say 1938. But, actually, what I'd - happened is I stumbled onto this earlier incident of violence.

LRH: All right. Let's go now. What did you do?

LRH: Of what?

PC: Well, the - the - the nearest I can come to it - and this sounds maudlin - out like I saved myself, you know?

PC: Of violence with him ...

LRH: Mm-mm.

LRH: Yeah?

PC: Like, l stayed a virgin ...

PC: which was not an answer to our question. (laughs)

LRH: Mm-mm.

LRH: I didn't get what this earlier incident was of ...

PC: ... to trap a man.

PC: Well, I've got an incident when I was sixteen when I stopped him from beating Mother.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: I had every intention all this life to to that.

PC: And it got into a violent - violent incident rather than ...

LRH: All right. Okay. All right. You're getting - you're getting there. It's ticking in.

LRH: I see.

PC: Yeah.

PC: an incident of affection.

LRH: I acknowledge you did that.

LRH: Oh, all right. That's perfectly all right.

PC: Yes. Okay (laughs)

PC: Mm.

LRH: All right. I acknowledge you did that. I'm just driving it down ...

LRH: Nobody is worrying about this.

PC: Mm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... in time, in a specific instance; at a specific moment.

LRH: Now, you trapped him with a kiss. Is that right?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: An act. An actual act, not an intention. I want an act. What did you do?

LRH: All right.

PC: (pause) Mm.

PC: That's - was affection there that actually trapped him.

LRH: That's right. Now you're rocking on it. That's it.

LRH: An affection. Did you feel the affection?

PC: Well, that isn't very much of an act, though, you know? I mean it was ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: I don't care. What is the act? There it is.

LRH: All right. Very good. Now, something wrong with affection here, honey.

PC: Well...

PC: Well ...

LRH: That's it.

LRH: What is this all about?

PC: ... to use this. I've ... Doesn't come out like a doingness though. It's an intention.

PC: Well, you don't demonstrate affection to a German father!

LRH: I don't care how it comes out like.

LRH: I know, but what about affection in general?

PC: Well, just - I - I...

PC: Well, youuuuuuu - well, actually, it's a trap.

LRH: You just tell me what you did and I'll take it from there.

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: Okay. I spotted Jimmy in the environment, and I decided he was the man I was going to trap by sleeping with him, and then I was going to marry him.

PC: It's - that traps men.

LRH: All right. Very good.

LRH: Affection is a trap.

PC: Was an intention to marry him.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Good. That's fine. And you got the tick there. (PC sighs) And what did you do?

LRH: Is that - that's the way it equates.

PC: I slept with him.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Very good. And you slept with him with what intention?

LRH: That's the way it equates.

PC: To marry him.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: To many him?

LRH: All right. Very good.

PC: Mm-mm.

All right, (PC chuckles) who doesn't know about this?

LRH: Or to trap him?

PC: Charlie doesn't know this.

PC: No. It just - that's the same. (laughs)

LRH: Alright How about Jimmy?

LRH: Oh, is that the same?

PC: Well, yeah, Jimmy doesn't know about this. Actually, this is what goes on with me with the students here, too.

PC: That s the same to me, yes.

LRH: All right

LRH: That's the same.- All right.

PC: I want to get close to them, but I already know it's a trap ...

PC: Marriage is a trap, yeah.

LRH: Yeah, go on. Go on.

LRH. All right.

PC: to be affectionate. Go on what? Who else doesn't know?

PC: It's a trap.

LRH: Tell me. Go on. Who doesn't know about this?

LRH: What about sleeping with a man to trap him, huh?

PC: Oh!

PC: Well, this is fine except he's the only one I did this life. (laughs)

LRH: Just get the roster out here.

LRH: All right. That's all right.

PC: Well, my dad didn't know it.

PC: Well, the earliest one I did, I should say.

LRH: All right.

LRH: That's my girl. (chuckles)

PC: My brothers.

PC: Yeah, that's the earliest one this life. (coughs)

LRH: That-a-girl.

LRH: That's a little more honest.

PC: My ...

PC: Mmm.

LRH: That-a-girl.

LRH: All right. And we've got our What. All right. And that isn't ... Nobody is doing anything accusative here. But you see, I operate very funny, Dorothy. I think it's what people do, not what they intend to do, that makes a Prepcheck.

PC: (pause) Any - I - I've got it just it's in a trap - it's a trap if you - if you have affection for a man.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: I see.

LRH: And, of course, I know that's novel. (chuckles)

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah. (laughs)

LRH: I see. All right. And who doesn't find out about this?

LRH: I know - I know that's a novel theory. (chuckles)

PC: (sighs) Well, none of the - none of the men I've ever known.

Look-a-here now. You've got an incident here. Is that right?

LRH: Just the lot.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah!

LRH: All right. Now, when was that exactly?

LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. That's all I was trying to check into.

PC: a ... that was in uh ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: That's a girl.

LRH: How about the little kids that you were around?

PC: ... well, May...

PC: Well, it's all right to feel affection for kids.

LRH: That's a girl.

LRH: Well, come on. How early did this start?

PC: ... of 1943.

PC: Well, it started early - real early with - me with my father. But like it was all right for me to feel ...

LRH: All right. That gives a nice little bing there.

LRH: There we are. There we are. The tick tick. Started very early with you or your father.

PC: Mmm.

PC: With my father.

LRH: Very good. May of 1943.

LRH: Did you - how old were you? Four, two, three, what? Four? Two? One? One?

PC: Mmm.

PC: Probably.

LRH: All right. Well, we're back here in '43. Right?

LRH: But did you know at that time that it was a ...

PC: A hm-hm.

PC: No.

LRH: All right. And where was that specifically?

LRH: ... action?

PC: Norman, Oklahoma.

Well, when did you overtly use this to betray him?

LRH: Norman, Oklahoma.

PC: Well that time when I was eight - eighteen.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. And what happened there exactly? Now, we got onto that a moment ago and got off of it.

LRH: All right.

PC: Well, just I intended to get him off of this other one he had on. You know, where he's totally individuated. So I demonstrated the affection for him ...

PC: I was in the navy.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Hm?

PC: and then ... hmm ... like he was trapped and I was trapped, both, on this one.

PC: I was in the navy.

LRH: Hm-hm. Is that so?

LRH: Is that a girl? (chuckles) All right.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah. (chuckles)

LRH: All right. What didn't appear there?

LRH: All right. Very good. Now, what should have appeared there and didn't?

PC: Hmm. (long pause) This one flipped ... I - I have trouble with it because I don't ever know whether it's what's supposed to. You know, like a thing that didn't appear there was just actually a warning or a - of things to come.

PC: (pause) Hmm. (long pause; sighs) I know something that shouldn't have appeared.

LRH: All right. All right. Very good. What things to come?

LRH: All right. What was that?

PC: Well, like he was vulnerable then. Mother used this one on him particularly.

PC: Well, my girlfriend.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Aha. She did appear, huh?

PC: She would withdraw affection from him.

PC: Hm.

LRH: All right. Very good. And who didn't find out about it?

LRH: Hey! now. Very good. Very good. And who didn't find out about it?

PC: Well, actually I didn't find out about it at that point. I didn't realize that's what I was doing.

PC: That she - you mean about her appearance or the incident?

LRH: All right. When did you decide this was what you were doing?

LRH: Well, no, just who didn't find out about the incident?

PC: Well just - I didn't really connect it up until now.

PC: Oh. My mother!

LRH: Oh, all right. Very good. Very good.

LRH: Ah, your mother didn't.

PC: That - that this is part of the thing that goes on with me.

PC: My mother.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. That's my girl.

PC: That used to bug me.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. This seems real to you.

LRH: All right. Now? when was this?

PC: Mmm.

PC: It was in the evening, in May ... I think May. The summer.

LRH: I haven't forced any cognition's on you, have I?

LRH: Mm-hm..

PC: No no. of course not. See, this - I have got a late incident. It happened here on course - is the lost incident.

PC: Well, you can't tell about (chuckles) Oklahoma. It gets summer there fast.

LRH: Yeah? Yeah. Well, there's a whole series of these incidents.

LRH: All right. And just exactly where was that located? That's it.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Well, that was a hotel ...

LRH: And they consist of "trapped with affection."

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: Mmm.

PC: ... out on the outskirts of town.

LRH: Trapped with affection.

LRH: Good. Good. All right. Bing-bing.

PC: Mmm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. All right. Very good. Okay.

LRH: You got it. That's bing-bing.

Now, how far back does this go?

PC: Yeah, I yeah, I-I can - I know what hotel it was.

PC: Well, it doesn't go - just to trap with affection doesn't go. I just wouldn't do it. I never would do that, I don't think. (long pause) I don't remember any earlier incidents. I mean, I would try not to.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Try not to trap with affection.

PC: I liked it, the hotel.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. And what didn't appear there?

LRH: And what does that do? What's the result of that?

PC: (pause) hmm. (pause)

PC: You're lonely.

LRH: There it is.

LRH: Oh, I see. So if you use affection, you trap?

PC: Mmm. Well, I'm getting more what's ... what is beginning to appear there is more the misemotion.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-mm. And what didn't appear?

LRH: And if you don't use affection, you don't trap?

PC: (pause) hmm. The room! I can't find it.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Mm-mm. All right. That's good - enough.

LRH: I see. All right, honey. All right. And that's very interesting. When is the first time you really trapped a man that way? Or a boy?

PC: Is there a ... hm, hazy picture.

PC: Oh, wait a minute. I do have some incidents on this. Actually, I've got an incident with a priest.

LRH: All right. Now, who failed to find out about this incident?

LRH: Hm?

PC: (sighs) Jimmy's mother.

PC: (laughs) With a priest ...

LRH: All right. What didn't Jimmy suspect there? (brief pause) That's it.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

PC: Well, he didn't suspect that I was going to hold him to this one.

PC: this life. Yeah. Father O'Sullivan. That's what happened there; it just ...

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. What life was that?

PC: Actually, what he didn't suspect was that he would get that totally entrapped on it. Oh, I know what he didn't expect!

PC: This life.

LRH: What?

LRH: This life?

PC: Well, he didn't expect me to be a virgin, of course!

PC: Yeah. Huh.

LRH: Well, all right. Okay.

LRH: You were a ...

PC: That's what he didn't expect me to ...

PC: ...was a Catholic this life you see.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Oh, yeah; All right.

PC: That's what he didn't expect. (laughs) Yeah.

PC: And I was uh - oh, fifteen, sixteen, when Father O'Sullivan was our parish priest.

LRH: All right. Well, that's a very interesting ...

LRH: All right. Good. And what happened?

PC: Mmm.

PC: Well, it was just I got - just got real - close to him.

LRH: ... thing for him to find out at that moment, huh?

LRH: Good.

PC: Yeah!

PC: Got to liking him.

LRH: So how did he take on about that?

LRH: Good.

PC: Well, he flipped.

PC: And he - it was a real close, affectionate situation. Nothing sexual.

LRH: Oh?

LRH: I know, but uh ...

PC: He flipped.

PC: It was affec - there was a lot of affection ...

LRH: He flipped?

LRH: All right.

PC: Yes.

PC: ... there for - for one - me for him and him for me.

LRH: And what did that mean for him?

LRH: Okay. Now, exactly what occurred. Something must have occurred.

PC: That mean he - means - that meant he was trapped.

PC: Well, yeah. l was actually ... This is - this is interesting in view of the fact I said I'm stupid. I was the outstanding student in the catechism class.

LRH: Yes sir.

LRH: Ah! Very good.

PC: Mmm. That was a dirty trick.

PC: And got just well, just uh, by being outstanding and smart in catechism, I attracted his attention.

LRH: All right. Very good. (chuckles)

LRH: All right. Good.

PC: That was.

PC: And just ... I've got a real pull for the affection for him.

LRH: All right. Very good. And when was this again?

LRH: Hm-hm. Go on.

PC: (sigh) Hmm.

PC: Well, this one was pretty disastrous, because you don't really get that close to a priest.

LRH: That's it.

LRH: Yeah, all right.

PC: Oh, gosh. You know, it ... it was just about this time of year? Mm ... early May?

PC: It violates the ...

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right.

PC: It was in the evening.

PC: (laughs) ... all that's holy in the "Catholic church," you see?

LRH: Hm-hm. What time in the evening?

LRH: Right.

PC: Oh, about ... I should say about twelve o'clock at night.

PC: But that's all that happened. There wasn't any ...

LRH: That's it. There it is. There it is.

LRH: Well now, what was disastrous about it? (brief pause) That's it.

PC: Yeah. 'Cause we went out first, and then came back.

PC: Well, for one thing, l don't think he's any longer a priest.

LRH: Hm-hm. Hm-hm. All right. Is there any more about that? Is there any more to that?

LRH: Oh, really?

PC: Well, just ... it was messy.

PC: Don't think so.

LRH: How do you mean, messy?

LRH: What did you do?

PC: Well, I got blood all over my clothes.

PC: Well, I don't think I did ... I think I just contributed to this one.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

LRH: Yeah, but what happened? There's a ...

PC: This is what Betty discovered.

PC: Just - just that I - I got closer to a priest than a girl ...

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: All right.

PC: And an unexpectedness on Betty.

PC: ... is supposed to get to a priest.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: And then what happened?

PC: Uh ... (pause) This - this was rather an uncomfortable situation for me.

PC: Then he left town.

LRH: All right. Very good. And what failed to appear there?

LRH: Why did he leave town?

PC: (sighs) Mmm. Well, there 's something very interesting going on here. There's Bob in the background, but somehow he's there ant not there.

PC: I don't know but I do know that he was moved to an Indian mission, which is a reduction in status for a priest.

LRH: Who?

LRH: All right. Well, what occurred? What happened there? You got a - you're leaving me with blank.

PC: Betty's boyfriend.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Yeah?

LRH: All right. You're very bright in class, and you get next to this priest, and then he leaves town.

PC: Bob? Was that his name?

PC: Well, there - actually, there wasn't anything else did happen.

LRH: There was somebody else at the hotel with you?

LRH: Well, what did you do that was an overt?

PC: Yeah. Bob.

PC: Just got that close to him.

LRH: All right.

LRH: And that what?

PC: Betty's boyfriend.

PC: Just to form that much of a personal relationship with him.

LRH: There ... there was somebody there?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

PC: To be on that uh ... just on the same basis with him rather than as a priest - girl in the parish.

LRH: Oh, I see. Had they put up at the hotel?

LRH: Good. Bing-bing. Now what ... There's something there, see?

PC: Yeah. They were in another room.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Oh, I see. All right. Then they knew all about this.

LRH: There's something there. There's something more there than just that.

PC: Well, I don't think Bob did.

PC: There is?

LRH: I see.

LRH: What is it?

PC: I think Betty told him, which I don't think she did.

PC: Well, there's - there was an incident there when uh ...

LRH: Hm.

LRH: Yeah, that's what we want. What is it?

PC: I didn't tell him.

PC: I went into a game with him that you don't - you shouldn't play with a priest. Like I... got mad at him and told him I was never going to speak to him again. And then he got me to speak to him again. I was walking down the street one day and I saw him, and I just had my head ... I wasn't going to speak to him.

LRH: I see.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: My hometown.

PC: And as he passed me, he put his face into my face and said, "Hello."

LRH: What town in Montana?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Fromberg, south of Billings.

PC: And we got back into communication again.

LRH: Yeah?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

PC: But there really... That's about all ...

LRH: Attagirl. All right. Now, who failed to find out about that whole thing?

LRH: Nothing else happened?

PC: My mother.

PC: No.

LRH: All right. That's tick-tick, bang Now we're really getting there.

LRH: Was there anything happened there? Was there anything happened with that priest?

PC: Yeah. Mother and Dad.

PC: Mm-mm. That's an - that's enough.

LRH: Hm-hm. They didn't find out about this?

LRH: Was this kind of charged?

PC: No.

PC: Well, that's enough!

LRH: Do they know about it to this day?

LRH: What's enough?

PC: No.

PC: Well, to get that close to a priest! You're not supposed to get close to a priest. Now - uh?

LRH: All right. You've never had anything to say to them about this.

LRH: What did you do to the man?

PC: Oh, no. They ... they wouldn't have dug this game at all.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: They wouldn't have, huh?

LRH: Would this ruin him in some way? What's the overt here? Showing affection?

PC: Oh, no.

PC: Well, it's - it's knocking him off his priest - priestliness. I mean, he was a man instead of a priest.

LRH: All right. And what did you do? Did you tell them something else? (PC sighs) That's it.

LRH: All right. All right. But what happened here, exactly? Did you set out to plan to do this?

PC: Well, yeah. I told them that I wanted to get married. This was perfectly reasonable. But I didn't tell them that I had ... Well, see, the one I've got there's that this is the only thing I had of any value.

PC: No.

LRH: What?

LRH: Did you know this was bad?

PC: My virginity.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right.

LRH: You did know this was bad?

PC: It's the only thing I ever considered was valuable.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Very good. Very good.

LRH: Well, you went ahead and did it, though.

PC: I already knew I was no good.

PC: Mm.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Oh, you knew it was bad ...

PC: You know?

PC: Mm.

LRH: Okay. All right now, is there any earlier incident? (PC sighs) That's it.

LRH: ... and you went head and did it.

PC: Well, that is when I was only thirteen.

PC: Well sure.

LRH: When you were thirteen.

LRH: All right. Who didn't find out about it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Oh, well, hell, my mother didn't find out about that, or any of the church people.

LRH: Very good And what did you do when you were thirteen?

LRH: All right. Very good.

PC: Well, this one was sort of inadvertent. Some guy spotted me, and turned on a big um ... admiration deal for me. I never could understand that one.

PC: Besides that, if they'd have found out about it, they'd have said I was uh ... trying to sleep with him, which I wasn't, I don't think.

LRH: Hm-hm. All right What did you do there?

LRH: Hm-hm. All right. All right. Okay. And what appeared there then?

PC: Well, I was just sitting in the park minding my own business ...

PC: Well, a man instead of a priest!

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: Oh, all right. All right. And who didn't find out about that?

PC: ... and he came along.

PC: Well, he didn't.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: All right. Very good. Now, when was this exactly?

PC: Yeah. I did do something there. I did uh ...

PC: In '36. I was sixteen, I think.

LRH: That's it.

LRH: Over what period of time was it? How many weeks? months? days?

PC: ... try to force ... like I must be something if I attracted him, and tried to force the relationship.

PC: Uh ... was that - that summer when I was being prepared for confirmation.

LRH: Oh all right. Very good. Okay. And when was that?

LRH: Go on.

PC: That was in 1933. That was in - on Labor Day, 19th. September.

PC: Uh ... was in the summertime - was in summer school. I was being prepared for confirmation, to it was over a period of weeks.

LRH: Labor Day, 1933.

LRH: Over a period of weeks.

PC: Yeah

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Very good.

LRH: Very good. And what didn't appear there?

PC: Labor Day celebration.

PC: Hm. I'm hung up on a - occurrence there, too.

LRH: All right. And is that all there is to that?

LRH: What is the occurrence?

PC: Uh ... no. I kept that one but tried to foister some sort of a romance out of that. I couldn't make it, though.

PC: Well, he flipped me one time when he was testing us finally for our uh ... whether we were fit to be confirmed. And he tested all the other students on uh ... the catc - the catechism.

All right. Good enough. But right there at that instant. Right there at ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Oh, that...

PC: But he asked me questions out of the Bible. That was a betrayal, because I didn't know anything about the Bible.

LRH: ... that moment. Is that all there is to that?

LRH: Oh, I see. All right. Good enough. And who didn't find out about it?

PC: Yeah

PC: What...

LRH: Yeah. All right. Very good. All right. What failed to appear there? PC: (pause) Well, sur-r-r-re enough, uh ... the - whatever I had mocked up as a desirable male failed to appear there, because he sure wasn't.

LRH: Who didn't get any answers? (LRH: and PC laugh)

LRH: All right.

PC: He didn't. He didn't. I hit a blank.

PC: You know?

LRH: All right. You hit a blank.

LRH: Very good. Very good. Now, who didn't find out about this incident?

PC: Ah.

PC: His mother.

LRH: That's quite interesting. Before that, you were bright. Is that what you are saying?

LRH: His mother?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yes.

LRH: And after that you were stupid.

LRH: Oh, all right. How old was he?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Uh ... fifteen. No, I guess he was only about fourteen - thirteen, fourteen, too.

LRH: All right. How do you account for this?

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: Why, that I was just - I was going to ... cognite (laughs) on this. I was wondering if this had any connection with ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, is that correct?

LRH: And she didn't find out about it, huh?

PC: Well yeah. It - just after that I had . .

PC: Oh, no. You see ...

LRH: Am I rushing your cognition?

LRH: Was he upset about this?

PC: Yeah. You are. (laughs)

PC: Well, later, I introduced him to my mother; you see? And then later he had a compulsion to introduce his mother to me. This is ...

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

PC: ... a real funny one on it.

LRH: Good enough.

LRH: That's bing-bing. We're getting somewhere now.

PC: Cause it was - just that feeling there of stupidity.

PC: Yeah She ... she disapproved, you see? (chuckles)

LRH: You ever spot this before?

LRH: Did she tell you she disapproved?

PC: No not really.

PC: No. Just ...

LRH: All right.

LRH: Did you tell her?

PC: But I - there's something else there.

PC: No.

LRH: Yeah. what is there?

LRH: All right. Very good. Now, is there anything earlier than this?

PC: Well, a feel there that I betrayed hm.

PC: Good heavens, no!

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, was there anything earlier than this?

PC: And...

PC: No.

LRH: Did you?

LRH: I don't get much of a wrack-around here on it. Is there anything earlier here about trying to sleep with a man to trap him?

PC: Yeah.

PC: (brief pause) Hm-mm no.

LRH: How?

LRH: Well now, we just had that go counter to what you just said.

PC: I was supposed to be smart. I was supposed to know about the Bible.

PC: Well, I'm looking at some ...

LRH: Oh, I see. You were supposed to know ...

LRH: Come on. Come on. What could there have been earlier?

PC: Mmm.

PC: Well, there was some sex play with my brothers, but that wasn't wanting to sleep with them to marry them.

LRH: ... about the Bible.

LRH: Oh, all right. All right. But how about trapping them? Would this trap them in some way?

PC: Mmm.

PC: Oh. well, yeah. That - that - there was some wanting to be close to my brothers.

LRH: All right. And what happened?

Actually, this is interesting. That's - that's that "I want to be close to a man."

PC: I didn't.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: And I did want to be ...

PC: I didn't ever...

LRH: All right.

LRH: And who didn't find out about it?

PC: ... close to my brothers.

PC: Well, he did - he didn't find out it soon enough to not ask me the questions.

LRH: All right. Very good. And when did this sexual activity take place?

LRH: I see. Well, when did this examination - this examination take place, in front of witnesses?

PC: Well, it's my brother Eddie.

PC: Oh, yeah. Up in front of the other students.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Oh, I see. All right. And that was a source of what to you?

PC: That's the incident there with uh ... it ... it was just straight together, his masturbation - me letting him ...

PC: Well, a source of failure on him, like I was supposed to ...

LRH: All right.

TBD

PC: ... do it.

LRH: What were you trying to cover up in front of these students?

LRH: Good enough. And now, when was this?

PC: (Pause) Huh?

PC: Uh ... oh, dear. I got to guess on this one. About 1928, 29.

LRH: That area must be loaded with missed withholds.

LRH: All right. Good enough. Good enough.

PC: Well, I did try to cover up that he - that I was his favorite.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. All right. What else didn't they find out there?

LRH: Is that all there is to that?

PC: (pause) Well, you know, what I have a feel of here is that they failed to find out, was that I didn't consider myself smart because I knew catechism. Catechism is a cinch.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. And what appeared there?

PC: I mean, there's - any knucklehead could learn about catechism.

PC: Well, this... the ...

LRH: All right. And they didn't find out about that?

LRH: That's it.

PC: Mmm.

PC: Yeah, it was too much misemotion. I mean, I - I - I couldn't confront ... easily confront his emotion on this one.

LRH: All right. Very good. Now, did you to anything to this priest?

LRH: There we go.

PC: Well I sure let him down that day.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Very good. This made him feel foolish?

LRH: We're right there. Right there now.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah, this is ...

LRH: Hm-hm. Did he look confused?

LRH: You couldn't confront his ...

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm.

LRH: All right. So what did you do there?

LRH: ... emotion.

PC: Mm. I was noticing something else there, too.

PC: Mm.

LRH: What?

LRH: Hm-hm. Emotion appeared there.

PC: Well, he expected ... this has happened a lot in my life. He expected me to be smarter than I was. I didn't come through, you know?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mmm. Mmm.

PC: I've got an incident like that on you.

PC: It's actually sexual sensation on his part.

LRH: Yeah, yeah. All right.

LRH: Mmm. And you weren't able to confront that.

PC: In '55.

PC: Uh-uh [no].

LRH: All right.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Interesting.

LRH: Okay. And your brightness failed to appear, is that right?

LRH: All right Very good. Now who failed to find out about that?

PC: Yeah! It sure did, man!

PC: My mother.

LRH: All right. Very good.

LRH: Right. All right. There it is. Bing-bing. Very good.

PC: That's - that's right. It ...

PC: My mother. Oh, wow!

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Fine. How did this trap your brother? (PC sighs) There it is.

PC: Let me down boy. It didn't appear.

PC: Well, was - there was that emotional tie there. Something in - we had experienced something in common. Um ... this actually is a... Huh. (pause) Hm ... just the misemotion is what's the trap. Sort of a goopy misemotion that...

LRH: (chuckles) All right. Very good. And who hasn't found out - who's been in the dark about this?

LRH: All right.

PC: You.

PC: ... couldn't - couldn't ever have just as a clean-cut type relationship. There was always that withhold there - on his part. It's actually still there.

LRH: All right.

LRH: What? On his part?

PC: It's failing to appear here, too, you know - (laughs) my brightness. Yeah.

PC: Yeah. It's still there.

LRH: All right. Okay. All right. Very good. All right, then, what's the missed withhold?

LRH: To this day?

PC: I ain't as bright as people think I am, is actually the missed withhold.

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: To this day, he's still afraid people will find out about this?

PC: I'm not.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: And well, what is that the thing that everybody misses on you?

LRH: Is that so?

PC: Mmm.

PC: Actually, he's afraid I'm going to mention it. One of these days I am. I'm going to pull that withhold off of him.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. Very good.

PC: Mother and all.

PC: I think that would help.

LRH: Everybody misses this.

LRH: (chuckles) Okay. All right. Now, is there any earlier incident here? There's a little slowdown.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Well, this is the picture that I don't have any ... any recall on. Just a stuck visio.

LRH: One and all.

LRH: Picture of what?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Of running to Mother and telling her about a sexual experience with my brother Jake.

LRH: All right. Let's go back to this incident in the cornfield.

But this one was ...

PC: Okay.

LRH: Writing to your mother?

LRH: Is that a piece of it?

PC: Running to my mother.

PC: Uh.

LRH: Running to her? Oh, running to her?

LRH: Is that part of the same picture?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And telling her about a sexual experience with your brother Jake.

LRH: Yeah? Well, how is it part of the same picture?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Well, my brightness didn't appear there, because if it had have, I would have known that Mother - this was not one of Mothers acceptability's. She - that she - just, sex was something she just couldn't confront.

LRH: When was that?

LRH: All right.

PC: Well, I'm sure I was only four years old, but I don't know why this comes out then in the place where I was ... didn't live until I was six.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, that's good.

LRH: All right. Okay. Now, is there any earlier incident when somebody should have known this?

PC: (laughs) I mean, I've got some confusion in it.

PC: (pause) No. That I - not that I remember.

LRH: All right. What is this? An overt act on Jake?

LRH: All right. I don't get anything clicking on the meter.

PC: Yeah. It's actually an overt act on Mother, too.

PC: Oh, good. (sighs)

LRH: Uh-huh. Both of them.

LRH: All right. Now, there seems to be, though, a whole chain of incidents here.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Both of them.

LRH: Something on this order.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah. There is.

LRH: All right. Was it true?

LRH: Just describe this circumstance to me here. Just what we've been finding out and plumbing into here, and so forth.

PC: Yeah, it was true.

PC: Well what I've got straight is that any darn fool can learn anything that they have - you know, that's easy to learn.

LRH: What was true?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Well, the experience, uh... Well, no, I shouldn't say that because I don't remember the experience. I only remember running to my mother telling her that Jake had uh ..uh ... taught me all about uh ... well, l - I said, "Mom - Mother, Mother, Jake told me all about fucking" you see?

PC: But uh, if it's hard, I'm not bright. I can't learn anything hard.

LRH: Mm-mm.

LRH: All right. Good. Click-click. There it is.

PC: And my mother almost dropped dead!

PC: Yeah. Sure, I mean, Scientology auditing is hard.

LRH: Mm-mm. All right. Very good. Now, what didn't appear there?

LRH: All right.

PC: Well, what the hell ever happened there?

PC: Like, I can sit town and get a preclear to talk to me.

LRH: All right. Very good.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

PC: But I can't do a heck of a lot with Class III stuff.

LRH: Well, who hasn't found out about this?

LRH: All right.

PC: My dad never found out. My other brother - my other brothers and sisters didn't find out.

PC: You know?

LRH: They didn't find out.

LRH: Click-click.

PC: No.

PC: (sniffs) Mmm.

LRH: Your father didn't find out.

LRH: Hm-hm. Well, how does this all add up?

PC No.

PC: (sighs; pause) Well, it adds up to "I am not acceptable to people as soon as they find out I'm not bright." That's how it adds up.

LRH: All right. How about Jake?

LRH: Now, what proved this to you when you were four or six or something like that? What...

PC: Yeah, well, he found out about something because Mother beat him up.

PC: Well, because Mother told me I was no - not acceptable to her.

LRH: Oh, I see. Was he punished?

LRH: When did she say this?

PC: Yeah, he was punished.

PC: When I was four.

LRH: All right. Now, when was this?

LRH: Hm hm. What did you do?

PC: Hmm. Well, boy, sure seems like 1924.

PC: I ...

LRH: All right. Very good. 1924.

LRH: What had you done?

PC: Mm-mm.

PC: You mean because she said that?

LRH: What time of the year?

LRH: Mmm.

PC: Well, it co ... See, that's where I get confused, because it was in the cornfield. And I was six years old in that place, but the corn was ... Actually it was high, so it must have been in the middle of summer.

PC: Well, I had communicated to her about an experience that I thought she - you know, that ...[gap in recording]

LRH: Okay. Very good. And is that all there is to that?

LRH: Is there another sexual incident when you were - that. Bing, bang. What's that?

PC: Mmm.

PC: Well, did - I've always had a - a horror that one day I was going to get something unoccluded and find that my father had sexually ...

LRH: Mm?

LRH: All right.

PC: Mm.

PC: But I uh ... I have no recall on this.

LRH: What else is there to that? There must be something else to it.

LRH: All right. Very good. We got the same tick-tick on your father here a while ago.

PC: Well, hmm. Bunch of confusion, like uh ... it seems like it's the same incident is here I was sitting in the hallway or in the side porch with this ... Mother had told me that uh . . well, she - it was more of an attitude of I was totally unacceptable to her. And just sitting in the uh ... hall there thinking, you know, things will never be the same again. But I'm not sure it's the same incident.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right

LRH: Now, what is this? Did something happen with your father?

PC: It just seems like it.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Very good. Very good And what appeared there? (pause) All right. What didn't appear there? That's it.

LRH: Was there some sexual incident with your father?

PC: Well, Mother didn't. Um ... I have a ... real funny feeling there of being all alone.

PC: No, except that he was capable of it.

LRH: Mm-mm.

LRH: Bing. Bang. Is there a sexual incident with your father?

PC: That somebody else should have been there and wasn't.

PC: Before? No

LRH: Mm-mm.

LRH: Well, at any time.

PC: I don't know.

PC: No. The only thing that I have on my father is that one time when I was taking a bath I didn't pull the curtains, and he uh ... watched me through the windows when I was naked.

LRH: All right. Now, who hasn't found out about that four-year-old incident?

LRH: All right.

PC: (sigh; pause) Hm. (pause) Well, I sure haven't found out parts of it.

PC: That's all he did.

LRH: All right. All right. Anybody else hasn't found out about it?

LRH: When was that?

PC: Mm. Mother didn't find out other parts of it.

PC: Oh, I was eighteen - nine - seventeen or eighteen then - by then.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. All right. Good.

PC: The one that Mother didn't find out, actually, was I don't think she realized what uh ... how uh ... I Q-and-Aed with this. I mean, I just straight decided I was no good ...

PC: And then, of course, the other thing I have is I've always been afraid of - my father was going to sexually molest me, ever since I was a child I was afraid ...

LRH: Mm-mm.

LRH: Thought what?

PC: ... on her consideration that I wasn't.

PC: Huh?

LRH: All right. Now, what are we talking about here that she considered you were no good? When did this enter into the situation?

LRH: Ever since you were what?

PC: Well, it was uh ... later in that incident - I think. I don't ... it looks like...

PC: A child.

LRH: Did she tell you you were no good, or what?

LRH: Yeah. You always were afraid of that.

PC: Well, she - Yeah. Just ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What did she say?

LRH: Well, who told you this.

PC: Well, she gasped like this was the most horrible thing that anybody could ever do.

PC: Well, Mother told me.

LRH: Hm-hm. All right.

LRH: What did she tell you?

PC: I mean, it was the attitude ...

PC: Well, she told me that he wasn't uh ... safe to be around. Girls weren't safe to be around hm.

LRH: What did she say?

LRH: Oh, I see. And who didn't find out about her telling you?

PC: ... and the misemo ... (brief pause) Wells I think she appealed to God at that point that this happened - this horrible act had happened. I don 't remember what she said.

PC: Dad.

She was talking in German anyhow. I wouldn't remember German.

LRH: All right. Who else didn't find out about it? Anybody else?

LRH: All right. (PC laughs) What had you just done there?

PC: I doubt it. She used to scream this one to the high housetops whenever she was um ...

PC: Well, I told her that I was ... that Jake and I had uh ... I don't even remember what we - what - what we did. I do remember telling her that ...

LRH: And what did she used to scream to the high housetop?

LRH: Yeah, but what did you tell her? That's what's important.

PC: That he was a monster and a beast and all this type of thing. I ...

PC: Yeah Yeah. Well, I told her that Jake and I were fucking.

LRH: Is that so?

LRH: All right That's what you told her.

PC: Mm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Very good. Very good. When was this?

PC: My mother never did uh ... uh ...

PC: (sighs) I don't know, '24 or '26. 1924 or '26. I can't decide on this one.

LRH: All right. Did anything of this character ever happen?

LRH: Well, all right.

PC: Did - with Dad, you mean?

PC: It must have been in 1926 'cause we were living in Fromberg. But then everything that happened to me I put into my barnyard anyway, so this could be another thing I just put into my barnyard.

LRH: Hm-mm.

LRH: Into your barnyard?

PC: Well, not that I know of. I've heard of incidences where he did. My mother...

PC: I drag all my pictures into my barnyard. It's the only safe place I had in my childhood.

Actually, I'm sure it was true, but I didn't know about it until later.

LRH: Oh, I see.

LRH: What was true?

PC: So every picture I - every time I get audited I drag all the pictures from all over the place, and I'd go into the barnyard to look at them, (laughs) while I was in the auditing chair.

PC: Well, that he had molested my uh ... aunt when she was nine.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

LRH: All right.

PC: This...

PC: But uh this was way before my time.

LRH: Now, where - where did this incident with Jake happen?

LRH: Mmm.

PC: Well, it was in the cornfield ...

PC: And I didn't find out about that till I was sixteen.

LRH: That's it.

LRH: All right. Is any of this an overt against your father?

PC; ... so that - that had to be the farm.

PC: (sighs) Well, now it is because I have a better understanding what was going on with him. Now, let's see, was it at the time? It seems like it was, some feel there but not any...

LRH: Well, what did you do?

LRH: Mm, all right. Well, what's this four year old incident we're looking for?

PC: I don't know.

PC: Umm.

LRH Nothing? Something? Anything?

LRH: Tick-tick. What is it? Tick-tick what is it? Come on. There it is.

PC: Well, I'm sure it was something, yeah.

PC: Yeah. Well, this one's been plaguing me ever since '50, and I don't know what it is.

LRH: Well, was it nothing? (brief pause) Something? Had you done anything? Or is this just an outright lie on Jake?

LRH: Oh, you've had something plaguing you since '50.

PC: No.

PC: Yeah. This turns up quite often.

LRH: Did it get him in trouble?

LRH: What?

PC: Yeah. It did get him in trouble.

PC: Just that there - I get four and six messed up.

LRH: All right. Who wouldn't want you to find out about it?

LRH: Is that the only thing about it that plagues you?

PC: Who wouldn't want me to find ...

PC: No it just uh ... I feel like something did happen, but I don't know what it is.

LRH: Yes.

LRH: All right. All right. Very good. All right. Now, just think about this for a moment.

PC: ... me to find out about it.

What happened to you when you were four? That's it.

LRH: Ah, that's an interesting thought, isn't it?

PC: Well, what I thought of is I moved from North Dakota to Park City, but that - that happened to me, but ...

PC: Well, Mother wouldn't want me to find out about it, I don't think.

LRH: Mm-mm.

LRH: That's it. All right. Mother wouldn't want you to find out about it.

PC: ... that doesn't seem very significant.

PC: No.

LRH: All right. What did you do? What did you do when you were four? That's it Tickety-tick.

LRH: Would Jake want you to find out about something?

PC: Now I have a stuck picture of the granary - when I was sitting in the granary.

PC: (sigh) No.

LRH: Granary.

LRH: All right. Is there a big agreement there you shouldn't find out about this?

PC: Mm. But I don't know what I did.

PC: Well, an agreement there that something like that would be better forgotten, which would be something we would have had in - in our childhood.

LRH: What granary?

LRH: Everybody would agree that that ...

PC: Uh - this I think, is in Park City. I think

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Well, who hasn't found out about it?

LRH: ... should better be forgotten.

PC: Most auditors

PC: It should - should be forgotten. See.

LRH: All right. Who else hasn't found out about it? -

LRH: When did you all decide to forget it and be friends?

PC: Well, Mother did ... I don't think Mother found out about it.

PC: (chuckles) Uh...

LRH: All right. Who else hasn't fount out about this four-year-old incident?

LRH: That's it.

PC: (sighs) Well, I haven't found out about it.

PC: Hm. (pause) Well, just sort of oozed into forgetfulness there.

LRH: All right. Very good. How long haven't you found out about it?

LRH: All right. Very good. But there was an agreement there.

PC: Sheesh, ever since 1950, when it got dredged up somehow in engram running.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: 1950.

LRH: All right. Very good. When was that? That's it.

PC: Mmm.

PC: 1926

LRH: Very good. Now, who missed that - withhold in 1950?

LRH: Very good. And what exactly happened there? Exactly what happened?

PC: Mildred.

PC: Well, I get an impression only, now.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: Oh, you can tell me what happened. Don't sit there reading your pictures. Tell me what happened.

PC: Mildred. My first - one of my first auditors.

PC: All right. Actually, he did try to put his penis in me.

LRH: All right. And what did she miss? Tick-tick.

LRH. All right. Very good. Was this your agreement?

PC: Hm. Just missed that I feel there is something there and I don't know what it is.

PC: Mm-mm yes.

LRH: All right. Did you tell her there was something there?

LRH: Or your connivance?

PC: Well, it was more like she was making - you know, having me go earlier and earlier, and I would - I bumped into it.

PC: Well, it was uh ... actually, it was - this was all right to do. That's what I was ...

LRH: And what did you bump into?

LRH: All right. That's fine.

PC: Just uh ... uh ... more of a - an impression that something happened.

PC: Yeah. That s what I was trying to communicate to Mother.

LRH: What's the impression? What do you mean, impression?

LRH: It was your idea?

PC: Four. All I get is - just a picture flashes that I'm on this granary - I was sitting in the grainary and I'm sure I had something that I had stolen, but I don't know what it is.

PC: No. I had learned a new experience.

And I'm sure it was something that belonged to the neighbor gal, and I don't - I - I'm sure I was hiding.

LRH: Oh, all right Very, very good. Excellent.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

PC: But that's all I can get on it.

LRH: And what appeared there?

LRH: All right. Is that what you bumped into when you were in 1950?

PC: Well, my mother's shock, because, you see, 1 wanted to communicate to her that I had discovered something new.

PC: Uh . . the impression - it didn't really ...

LRH: Oh, I see. All right. Very good. Excellent.

LRH: Oh, you know more about it now than ...

PC: I didn't expect my mother to be shocked. I thought she would be pleased because I hat found out something new.

PC: Yeah

LRH: All right. Very good. And who should have found out about this in later years?

LRH: ... you did in '50.

PC: (sighs) Dad.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Who else should have found out about it in later years?

LRH: All right. Has this sort of haunted you, this little four-year-old period here?

PC: Well, Jake should have found out about it, that I was this knuckleheaded.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. Well, who's missed it as a withhold?

PC: I didn't know that this was something should be kept secret.

PC: Well Mildred missed it.

LRH: Very good. And who else should have found out about it?

LRH: Who else?

PC: Uh ... well, my whole family should have found out that I was knuckleheaded.

PC: Paul.

LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. Okay.

LRH: Good. Who else?

Now when was this incident exactly?

PC: Actually, Donna is the one that uh ... dredged it up. I got more on it with her than any other auditor.

PC: Huh. Well, it was in the summer of 1926. Actually, this one does feel more in place now, in '26.

LRH: Oh, people have been looking for this?

LRH: Very good.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: I see. Good. And who's missed it?

LRH: All right, fine.

PC: Um ... Juanita.

PC: It was in the summer of 1926.

LRH: Good. Who else has missed it?

LRH: Excellent. Excellent. And is that all there is to that incident now?

PC: (sighs; pause) Hm. Uh, I was looking at the '55 auditors. Hazel Hart.

PC: Mm. Yeah.

LRH: All right. Good. Who else has missed it?

LRH: All right. Very good. And what shouldn't have appeared in that whole incident?

PC: Actually, Dick missed it here on uh... course.

PC: My mother.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. Excellent. Excellent And who didn't find out about it?

PC: Yeah. He was ...

PC: (sigh; pause) Schoolteachers. Townspeople.

LRH: Good. Good.

LRH: Oh, very good. Excellent. Anybody else?

PC: ... poking around in that area.

PC: You know, the one that's the real shouldn't-have-found-out is my stupidity there. Mmm, my brothers and sisters, particularly, shouldn't - should have found out about this one. Well, I don't know. They still shouldn't know about this.

LRH: All right. Who else has missed it.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: That's about all. The one I'm looking at here is just a long - the - all these auditors poking around trying to uncover this one and never being able to ...

PC: This stupidity.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Should they have found out about your stupidity?

PC: ... get it.

PC: Well, it still isn't all right with me for them to find it out.

LRH: Did you think there was anything there originally?

LRH: (chuckles) All right. Okay. Now, what we're going to do here ... How do you feel about this now?

PC: Uh . . not uh ... No, not really.

PC: Mm, better.

LRH: You didn't think there was anything ...

LRH: You feel a bit better?

PC: No

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: ... there originally.

LRH: A lot better?

PC: Yeah. It's just that uh ...

PC: Yeah, it's...

LRH: Just a ...

LRH: Have you got something a little more in place?

PC: ... there should be something when I - that I should have a time track when I'm four years old, shouldn't I? (laughs)

PC: Yeah, and it doesn't seem as hung-up.

LRH: I see. All right. All right. Is it because the time track is missing there?

LRH: All right. Good enough. We're not - we're not through worrying this one - that one, probably, but we're going to look some more on this line.

PC: That's partially it. The other one is that I have got the confusion there. I've always had the six-year-old picture ...

PC: Oh, that's fine.

LRH: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Now, would it be all right with you if we took a very brief break? PC: That would be wonderful.

PC: ... and I always got it confused: it's now, it's six; it's four, it's six ...

LRH: Ten-minute break?

LRH: Mm-hm. And u this what they usually take off on?

PC: Mm.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Would that be all right with you?

LRH: And so forth. And you usually bring this up.

PC: Yes.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: And is it all right with you if I just asked one more question here? Now, have I missed a withhold on you? Yeah, that's all right. Latent.

LRH: Is that right?

PC: Mm, yeah. You didn't.

PC: Mmm.

LRH. Very good. Very good There was a - latent ...

LRH: Now, how do you always bring this up?

PC: ... Mmm.

PC: (sighs) Because they ask me questions on it, and I never know what to do with it. I mean you - how am I supposed to answer up to something I don't remember?

LRH: ... but that's all right. I'll check it again.

LRH: All right. But how come this turns up in the first place?

PC: Okay.

PC: Because my attention just goes that way. I go bloomp on this picture, and then I go four, six. There must some - been something happened at four.

LRH: Have I missed a withhold on you? There's a slight slowdown.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Well, just I didn't realize it'd be this comfortable ...

PC: I go figuring on it.

LRH: Oh, you didn't?

LRH: Hm-mm. Well, who basically is missing this withhold?

PC: ... being audited by you.

PC: (sighs) Well, I am, basically.

LRH: (chuckles) Oh, all right.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Let me check that once more. Have I missed a withhold on you? No, that's fine.

LRH: All right. Fine. Is there anything there that's withheld?

PC: Mm.

PC: Just ...

LRH: Very good. We got that. And is there anything you care to ask before I give you end of session for this break?

LRH: Is there anything happened when you were four?

PC: No.

PC: I don't know. You see, th-there must - have been something happened, but I don't know.

LRH: All right. Here it is. End of session.

LRH: Well, good. Well, why do you want auditors to look there?

PC: Okay. Thank you.

PC: I don't, particularly.

LRH: You bet.

LRH: Look. Look-a-here. We're going over this ground.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: How come we're sitting there?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: That's fascinating ...

PC: Yeah!

LRH: ... isn't it? (pause) now, is there something on either side of this that you want an auditor to avoid? I'm not asking you a dirty question.

PC: Mm, I don 't mind you asking.

LRH: But is there something there you'd like to be - something there that you want an avoidance on? There something there you're trying to avoid? Is there something there you're trying to get auditors to avoid?

PC: No.

LRH: Nope. That's right. This is clean.

PC: Hm-mm.

LRH: See, I've got to ask these questions to straighten it out.

PC: Hm-mm.

LRH: All right. Did anything happen when you were four? I don't find anything on - the meter.

PC: (exhales) Well, that's fine with me.

LRH: Well, who insisted there was something at four? I just asked you if there was something at four. I haven't insisted there's anything there. But who, amongst your auditors, insisted there was something there?

PC: (sighs; pause) Well... (pause) Uh ... I don 't know what they ...

LRH: There is something right there.

PC: Yeah, well, I'm not sure that they insisted; just like it come up and they would poke.

LRH: They'd what?

PC: They'd poke on - in that area to see if we could open up the track.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: You know? Uh I don't think they insisted on it, however: Like I would do the same thing I did tonight: it's six, it's four, it's six, it's four.

LRH: Well what do you do? Cut your throat on the subject of sex when you were about four - six by telling on your brother? Is there some regret involved in this?

PC: Well, sure.

LRH: Yeah, what's the regret?

PC: (pause) Well ... (long pause; sighs) Actually: the most regret I have on this is Mother.

Because, I mean, l didn't uh... cut my brothers throat on this one. I mean, Mother beat him up, but then that isn't particularly disastrous. You know?

LRH: Well, what's disastrous there?

PC: That my mother had uh well, had her ideas of a how a little girl should behave, shook.

LRH: Mmm.

PC: I hadn't intended that.

LRH: Mmm. Do something to your mother?

PC: Well sure I just I did - I indulged in sex play that was totally something she didn't want me to do Yeah, she's got something like "you're ruined if you do." You know?

LRH: Mm-mm.

PC: 'Course, I have too.

LRH: Mm-mm.

PC: Yeah. And like I-I didn't ever intend for her to get this one shook up.

LRH: Get what?

PC: Get this idea of hers shook up

LRH: Mm-mm. Well did she talk to you about the commercial value of all this?

PC: That was later.

LRH: Oh, yeah. But at that time there was something about this.

PC: Yeah I didn't actually know she was - was sitting that strongly on... on it.

LRH: I see. All right. Now, let's skip what you don't know. Let's take a look at what you know in that period. (PC sighs) Now, that do you know in that period?

PC: What period?

LRH: Anytime. Four, six, somewhere around in that lifetime area, in that life area.

PC: Well, I know that incident.

LRH: All right.

PC: l know the incident when I was four when I hit my - that little girl. I was four then.

LRH: When you were four ...

PC: Hm.

LRH: ... you were what?

PC: I hit that little girl. I know about that.

LRH: You know about that.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Is that an overt?

PC: Well, sure.

LRH: All right. How long have you known about that?

PC: Well I've always known that one.

LRH: All right. Good And what other incident do you know in four-six period?

PC: (pause) Oh, wait a minute. I-I-I know why auditors would go off on this one, is because I still have that uh ... one there that is the uh-... divided thing where I was sitting in the hall. I don't - I can't account for that.

LRH: What hall?

PC: Yeah, it's a side porch.

LRH: Yeah, what about the side porch? You mean you got - had a - what about this picture? You mean you've got a picture there ...

PC: Mm.

LRH: ... and auditors keep hitting it?

PC: Yeah. It turns - it uh, it just automatically comes up when I think about that uh ...

LRH: I see. At four you get a picture of the side porch.

PC: Yeah. And so on ...

LRH: Six and four.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Ohhh. Is it...

PC: Like...

LRH: ... is it this lifetime?

PC: Hm ?

LRH: Is the picture anything to do with this lifetime?

PC: I can't be sure about that.

LRH: Mm-mm. So you got a picture.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Interesting. How many other pictures you got? (pause) Bang! What's that?

PC: Well, I bumped into that one where I saw that man sitting on the - in the rocking chair He was a monster.

LRH: Hm?

PC: (laughs) Oh, I saw this monster sitting in the rocking chair, and ... But this actually is an actual ... I don't know whether I slapped a picture over it or there was actually a man - man sitting there. But he was there and I called my sister and she came out, and he wasn't. He'd disappeared out of the chair.

LRH: Yeah...

PC: I got that picture.

LRH: All right. All right. Okay. All right. Now, what don't we know about this period?

PC: (sighs) Mmmmmmmm.

LRH: What is unknown about this period?

PC: Well, everything - my whole chronological events of my life in that period is unknown to me.

LRH: All right. Very good. And who been missing all these?

PC: Oh, well, all the auditors missed that.

LRH: Well, good. What's the withholds in this area? What are the real withholds in this area?

PC: (Pause) Well, my whole ... my life is a withhold there. What did I do? What was I like? You know?

LRH: Hmm. All right. And who's been missing it?

PC: Mostly me.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Very good. Very good. And any other data you'd like to tell me about concerning that right now? All right. We got a little halt - little click, little click. What's that? What are you going over? Bing. Bing. What are you going over there?

PC: Well mostly, I've - I'm ... come into present time and noticing it was getting late is all.

LRH: All right. Good. Is that what you're noticing?

PC: Hmm..

LRH: All right. Very good. Now, what about sleeping with a man to trap him?

PC: Jimmy is the only one I'd - or it would have been Charlie.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Yeah, Jimmy and Charlie. No, this isn't true. I had some promiscuity ...

LRH: Hm?

PC: I had some promiscuity occurred in between Jimmy and Charlie. But I wasn't intending to entrap.

LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Just let me ask you that question now.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Let's find out what this is - what the reaction we get on this.

PC: Hmm.

LRH: All right. What about sleeping with a man to trap him? Just seems peculiarly uncharged now.

PC: Mmm. This feels uncharged.

LRH: Well, do you suddenly feel better about it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Did you feel worse about it than you do feel?

PC: Well, I did during the break - felt worse - worse ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: than I did. Uh ... I feel all right about it now.

LRH: Mm-mm. Do you think anything has occurred here, then?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What?

PC: Well I feel more uh-uh ... well, actually, less frantic about uh ... the whole thing, and notice a lot of connections between my present behavior and uh ... past stuff.

LRH: Hm, hm.

PC: You know?

LRH: Hmm.

PC: Like it's what's going on with me with this chronic PTP is just the story of my life.

LRH: All right, honey.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Nothing too new in this then.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right, honey. Now, we got a null on this "What" question.

PC: Oh. Good-o.

LRH: And so if it's all right with you, why, I'd like to end that Prepcheckng and bring us down the line.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Okay?

PC: That's fine. Fine.

LRH: All right? All right? Okay. Anything you care to say or ask before I end that Prepchecking?

PC: No just ...

LRH: All right.

PC: ... thank you.

LRH: All right. All right. Here we go. Okay. Let's walk into these end rudiments, huh?

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Have you told me any half-truth? Have you told me any half-truth? Untruth? - All right. Come up to present time.

PC: Mm. Okay.

LRH: All right. (PC sighs) See if we get this thing a little bit better here.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Have you told me any half-truth? Thank you. Untruth?

PC: Mm.

LRH: All right. Said something only to impress me? Oh, what have you said only to impress me?

PC: Well, I always get the impression when I'm sitting here talking that I am impressing.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. You doing it on purpose?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. Have you done it on purpose just for me?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. All right. have you said something only to impress me?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. Not anything particularly?

PC: Mm-mm.

LRH: All right. Let me clear that again.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Have you said something only to impress me? That's all right. Have you tried to damage anyone in this session? (short pause) Tried to damage anyone in this ... Boy, you sure stop on damage, don't you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: The damage kid, huh?

PC: Yeah. (LRH: and PC chuckle)

LRH: All right. Okay. Now listen to me: Have you tried to damage anyone in this session?

PC: No.

LRH: That's so right. All right. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. That's in this session?

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. In this session have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. The subject of E-Meter seems a little rough with you here.

PC: Yeah, I got a lot of uh ...

LRH: What's the matter?

PC: ... you, never can tell what the meter is reading on. You know?

LRH: Don't auditors tell you?

PC: Oh Well, yeah, they tell me, but they say "Well, I - have I missed a withhold and - and they say - I say, they say "Well, it's clicking" and then I-it's unreal to me that uh ... I... I... because I don't feel like I've failed to tell an auditor something. Then I dig, and it does clean up.

LRH: Mmm. Mmm. What do you answer them for?

PC: What do you mean?

LRH: Just what do you answer them for?

PC: Well, they say "Have I missed a withhold on you?" and I say no.

LRH: They actually missed at talking to the meter.

PC: Is that what goes on?

LRH: Well, sure. And you say - they say "Have I missed a withhold on you?" you see, and you say no. And they say "Oh, yes, you have" and so forth. - What are you talking for?

PC: Ha!

LRH: They're just rudiments.

PC: Oh!

LRH: You don't have to say anything.

PC: Well then I feel like if I don't do that, then I end up with "Have you ..." It will read when it says "Have you failed to answer a question or a command?" (laughing)

LRH: All right. That's going to be and be caught three ways from the middle.

PC: Yeah. (LRH: and PC laugh) You're trapped any way you do it.

LRH: All right, honey. Well, you go ahead and answer it or not, as you please. (laughs)

PC: Okay.

LRH: Okay. All right. Have you failed to answer any question or command I've given you in this session? That's clean. Thank you. You see, you didn't get a chance to answer me, did you?

PC: Mmm. .

LRH: All right. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? There's a tiny, latent slowdown. Is there a little bit of something that ...

PC: Just uh ...

LRH: That's it.

PC: I'm sure if I dredged, I probably could find a lot of things, but like I - you haven't missed anything.

LRH: All right. But in this session ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... in this session ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... what we have done ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... have I missed a withhold on you?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. I got a tick. I got a little latent tick here.

PC: Yeah. Well, I'm afraid if I take a look that I'm going to find something. Then it's going to be missed.

LRH: Go ahead and take a look.

PC: Okay.

LRH: I'm running this session. You relax!

PC: (laughs) Yeah. Okay.

LRH: (chuckles) All right.

PC: Let's see. (pause) No. Nothing.

LRH: All right. All right, let me check that again. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? I got a click.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: That's it. That's it. That's it. Right there.

PC: Well just uh ... see, this didn't turn up in this session.

LRH: Hm?

PC: It didn't turn up in this session, but it's - it's here now.

LRH: What is it?

PC: That's what I don't understand.

LRH: All right. Well, all right.

PC: Uh well, like I've got some discreditable habits that I don't particularly like uh ... to talk about.

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: You know?

LRH: All right. Have I failed to find out about those?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Good. Good. All right. In this session have I missed a withhold on you? Well, it's just a latent tick now. - Now, what did you think of on that latent tick?

PC: Just wondering, well, are you going to - if it's going to click again.

LRH: Click click, click; There it is.

PC: Yeah. Just - just wondering, is it going to click again?

LRH: Well, no, it's latent.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: It's latent. I'm just being mean. I'm just cleaning it up hard ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... see? All right. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? Yeah. Tick.

PC: Hmm.

LRH: Tick.

PC: Well, what you're you've missed is I get uh ... just my ... my mmm ... I'm thinking thoughts, and now it's a missed withhold, and damn it. You know?

LRH: What is it?

PC: Just, well.

LRH: Are you sitting there trying to run the session?

PC: Uh ...

LRH: Trying to keep yourself from thinking things and thinking things and ...

PC: Uh ... yeah. Actually, I'm trying not to dump all my case in your lap.

LRH: Well, thank you. Are you trying to keep me from missing a withhold? (chuckles)

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. All right. (chuckles)

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You're working much too hard, you know?

PC: Yeah. I am.

LRH: You know? That's my job just now. (laughs)

PC: Yeah. (chuckles) Okay.

LRH: All right. Now, what I've asked for and what I've looked into, you've told me, haven't you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Right. All right. Now, let me ask this question again. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? There, that's very latent, and we're just going to leave it that way.

PC: Good.

LRH: All right. Because I think that one came up from anxiety of "is it going to be clean?"

PC: Yeah. It did.

LRH: You sure have a hell of a time with the meter.

PC: Yeah, I do.

LRH: Yeah. You're not used to an auditor like me. I just maul you around and say (chuckles) you're supposed to do this and that.

PC: Haaa. (sighs)

LRH: All right. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. Click!

PC: I can really here that picture. It reminds me of the outrigger picture, the one that's in The Outrigger in Seattle.

LRH: All right. Good enough. Let me check this again.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. Tiny slowdown. What else did you run into?

PC: I was staring right into the face of the camera.

LRH: Oh, all right. It isn't on, that one.

PC: Ah, good-o.

LRH: All right. Let me check it again.

PC: Okay

LRH: All right. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything.

PC: That telephone.

LRH: That's my girl.

PC: Mm.

LRH: That was quite late.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: So we're just going to leave that one right there.

PC: Good.

LRH: You might give me a can - wait just a minute now. This ...

PC: I've got them clutched awfully hard.

LRH: That's all right. I just - well, let me make sure that you've got some havingness here.

Squeeze them. Man! Man, who runs you with havingness that far down? What's your ordinary havingness run?

PC: Point out something.

LRH: Hm?

PC: You mean the process?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Point out something.

LRH: Yeah? Well, here we go. We're going to run a few commands of that. All right?

PC: Would it be if - okay if I just do it like ...

LRH: That? Just do it right like that.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Point out something.

PC: You.

LRH: Thank you. Point out something.

PC: That lamp.

LRH: Thank you. Point out something.

PC: That picture.

LRH: Thank you. Point out something.

PC: That - that thing on the mantel.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The camera.

LRH: Thank you. All right. Squeeze the cans, just like you did before.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Boy, that's certainly not much can squeeze. How are you holding those cans?

PC: I'm clutching them.

LRH: All right. Give them a squeeze. All right. Point out something.

PC: The telephone.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: Those uh ... curtains.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The radiator.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The ... the television.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: That chair.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: That camera.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: Uh ... that cabinet.

LRH: Good. All right. Squeeze the cans.

All right. Point out something.

PC: The couch.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: That fireplace.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The fire.

LRH: Good Point out something.

PC: Uh, the model under - on the floor:

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: Uh ... that glass.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The lights.

LRH: All right. Put your cans in your lap now. All right. Squeeze the cans. That's better.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Point out something.

PC: That case.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: That chest.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: Uh ... those wires.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The curtains.

LRH: All right. If it's all right with you, I'll give you two more commands and end this process.

PC: Fine.

LRH: Very good. Point out something.

PC: Uh ... you. (chuckles)

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The sign.

LRH: Good. All right. Is there anything you care to say before I end that process?

PC: Just I feel more here.

LRH: All right. Excellent. End of process.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Okay. Now, have you made any part of your gains this session - any part of your goals for this session, which was to find the missed withhold?"

PC: Yeah. That one doesn't seem very real to me somehow. But uh ...

LRH: That goal? Yeah?

PC: Yeah. It just uh ... what's more real to me is that uh ... the chronic PTP is more handled.

LRH: (chuckles) Oh, all right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, did we find something about this, and so forth?

PC: Yeah, on that one.

LRH: All right. Then you say "to get this PTP handled." Do you feel better about this PTP?

PC: Yeah I do.

LRH: All right, honey. Very good. All right. Is there any gains you'd care to mention?

PC: Well I just feel uh ... much more comfortable about you. That's a big gain.

LRH: (chuckles) All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Yes.

LRH: All right. Anything else?

PC: Uh ... (pause) There's another gain here, but I don't know how to put it. Um ...

Yes, I do too know what it is. Uh ... um ... more willingness to communicate freely in front of a-a-a group. I didn't realize I'd be this comfortable about that.

LRH: (chuckles) Oh, all right. Very good.

PC: I didn't have to not-is them either. I was sort of on the edge of awareness that they were there.

LRH: (chuckles) Well, I must say you came through excellently well with that little warning. That ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: That was a surprise.

PC: I was totally in awe when I came up.

LRH: All right. And then, is there anything that you would care to say or ask before I end this session?

PC: No. That's all.

LRH: All right. Is it all right with you if I end this session now?

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Here it is. End of session.

Okay. Has the session ended for you?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Very good. Tell me I'm no longer auditing you.

PC: You're no longer auditing me.

LRH: All right. Very good.

PC: And thanks again.

LRH: You're certainly welcome.